
Brooklyn's The Pains Of Being Pure At Heart are in the middle of a very busy time of their lives. Yesterday their self-titled full length debut was released to record stores and is already generating a lot of buzz on the interwebs. Saturday night the band will play at Mercury Lounge here in New York kicking off a nation wide tour that will send them all over the place. So just to get a second or two to chat with the band would have been awesome but the interview that follows is probably my favorite out of all the interviews I've ever posted here! These guys are serious music fans people, and it shows in their music, but here they make themselves even more thoroughly endearing then ever before!
PTST: Your band name seems to have become a big attention getter amongst the blogs and publications out there. A lot of people seem to associate it with some sort of emo band, which you obviously are not. Where did the band name come from? Has there ever been a moment where you considered changing it? Does the name of your band have any effect on the sound of the band?
Kip: The name comes from an unpublished children's story written by a friend of mine. It's moral is that the most important things in life are the friends you have and the things you experience with them when you're young-- to travel, to see and enjoy the world around you. It's a fitting name, as we were all friends first, and playing music together has felt so often like an adventure, in the best possible way. Some people seem to find the name difficult-- but we would never change it for anything.
Peggy: Yeah, I like it because the name actually means something, there's a significance. I wouldn't want to be in a band called the Cool Schmools or whatever, that just isn't me.
PTST: Wow, Cool Schmools is now the name of my next band thanks Peggy! You guys are self professed music nerds, what bands drove you to pick up your respective instruments? Did you ever have that moment where you knew there was nothing that you would rather do then make music?
Kip: It's true, we are pretty nerdy about music. I think Nirvana songs were the very first songs I tried to learn on guitar when I was 14. And then, because of their covers, I got into The Vaselines too. I was also pretty psyched on learning Tom Petty "Free Fallin'" at the time, which is a totally different kind of nerdiness. Though I still love Tom Petty...
Alex: Good call on Tom Petty. When I started out learning an instrument, it was definitely radio rock (remember Silverchair??) but it wasn't until I started listening to punk and hardcore that I got emotionally invested in music. It became more of a life passion than just a "what do I listen to on the drive to the grocery store?" thing.
Peggy: I started playing guitar when I was 12. I read an article in Seventeen magazine about riot grrls that was really inspiring. I just wanted to learn power chords. My first band did a cover of "I wish I was Him" by Ben Lee and "Hamster Baby" by Bikini Kill. However, the first song my guitar teacher made me learn how to play was "Achy Breaky Heart"! To his credit, there are only two chords in that song...I think they are G and C. I'll also never forget the day my mom took me to the pawn shop to buy me a 4-track for my birthday. Those were the days. I think my mom was just glad that I had something to do over the summer because I was an only child, and they never sent me to summer camp or anything.
PTST: Aside from the whole band name most people seem to focus on your influences, folks like My Bloody Valentine, Joy Division, The Pastels, and more. Do you think this type of talk puts an undue pressure on the band to create something similar to what people are comparing you to? Do you guys feel like you sound like these bands?
Kip: It's cool if people compare us to awesome bands-- it's super flattering to even get mentioned in the same breath as all that. But we aren't trying to make an album that sounds like the bands we love-- because those records already exist. I mean, we're never going to write a better "Sittin' Pretty," than the Pastels did. The pressure that we put on ourselves is to write music that's just as special today as the records we love were to the times they were made in. Maybe Teenage Fanclub were huge Pastels fans (they both lived in Glasgow), but their records in the early 90s were totally different, yet equally amazing.
Alex: We like all those bands, and they definitely provided impetus for us to be in a band together, but we haven't really thought past, "let's make loud, fun, really melodic songs." There isn't a band manifesto that we should try to sound as much like My Bloody Valentine as possible. Being inspired by what "Paint a Rainbow" is isn't the same as wanting to copy that song exactly. I think that's where the balance lies.
Peggy: It's funny because I don't think we necessarily sound like those bands, but they definitely are bands that I love. I'm like, how did these people know that those are my favorite bands? Did they look at my MySpace profile or something? I guess I can see similarities, like the fuzzy guitars, the guitar lines, the drum fills, that might compare us to My Bloody Valentine or Teenage Fanclub. Someone once compared us to the Lemonheads which was sort of baffling, until I actually went back and listened to some of the songs on "It's a Shame about Ray" and I was like, whoa, they might be onto something!
PTST: So the full length is finally out for the public to consume, how do you guys feel about the finished product? Looking at it now is there anything that you would change or do differently if you could?
Kip: We're definitely happy, but it's not really our place to pat ourselves on the back. We're super grateful to Archie Moore (Black Tambourine/Velocity Girl) who mixed the record and really helped us make it sound the way we wanted it to sound. He's such an amazing person, and we definitely nerded out talking to him about all sorts of random stuff-- he actually recorded Chisel's "8 a.m All Day," which was one of my favorite records when I was in high school.
Alex: I'm so so happy it's out. It was a total labor of love and pretty much non-stop fun making it. Along the way, we had lots of conversations about track listing and guitar sounds and album titles and the whole nine, but looking at the complete picture now… I couldn't be more excited.
Peggy: Umm, maybe there are a couple of songs that got left off that I wish were on there, but they didn't work with the album, I guess. But anyone who buys the Japanese import will get to hear those as bonus tracks!
PTST: The record is already generating quite a bit of buzz on the web and from music writers, how are you guys taking all the positive reactions? Has anything changed in your day-to-day lives thanks to the new found attention?
Kip: We're just really grateful and happy that people are so genuinely into it.
Alex: The only thing that's changed in my day-to-day life is that my dad has figured out Google Alerts and has been forwarding me stuff a lot more. He'll probably see this, too. Hi, Dad!
Peggy: It opens up a lot of opportunities for us. We get to play awesome shows with awesome bands, it's such an exciting thing to be a part of. I wasn't popular in high school, but is this what it feels like? Cuz if so, man, I really missed out....
PTST: The album seems to be full of some pretty raw emotions, if this album really takes off and launches you towards stardom do you think there will still be pains to write about and make music about? Is it ever disconcerting/scary to wear your heart on your sleeve with a fan base that keeps expanding?
Kip: These songs are about the real things we've felt and experienced growing up. I think the album isn't a downer at all-- but really positive. I don't think it's disconcerting to be emotionally honest-- I think it's totally necessary. I would feel terrible if we were singing things I didn't believe-- that would be scary, to feel like some sort of fraud or faker. But if you're being honest, no one can ever expose you.
Alex: I don't think anyone can become a "star" to the point of no longer feeling some basic human turmoil and confusion. As well as joy and innocence. We just work with what we know – and since most of us Pains are nerdy weirdos at the core, I think that will always shine through. I guess what I'm really saying is we'll always "keep it real," haha.
Peggy: The band has become a significant part of my life, but I still have a lot of personal stuff going on. Seriously, I feel like sometimes I step back from a situation I'm in, and I'm like "WTF! Am I still in high school??"
PTST: This should be a pretty exciting time for the band with your debut full length coming out this week and an East Coast tour getting under way this weekend, have you guys found any time to sit back and look at all you have accomplished since the band started? Or do you guys prefer to look forward at what's coming next?
Kip: We're really excited about what's coming up. We were thrilled by so many things we got to do, most notably putting a record out on Slumberland and getting the chance to go abroad to the UK and Sweden. We're all really optimistic and hopeful that we'll get to travel more, play shows, put out more records and continue having fun.
Alex: It's fun to think about what we've done – it mostly happens when friends ask about what's been happening. It's definitely most fun to look forward, though, especially since there's so much cool stuff coming up. Maybe I can do some more reminiscing when I'm trying to be a "cool dad" and explaining the "Brooklyn scene" to my kid in twenty years.
Kip: Alex will be the coolest dad someday... I can't imagine him yelling at his kids ever. "Dad, I can't mow the lawn 'cuz my nu-nu glam rave band is blissing out in the basement." Alex would be all like, "Cool! Have fun. Can I bring you some chips or Lemonade?"
Peggy: It's definitely fun to think back on the early days, when everything was so new to us, and to look at where we are now and the opportunities ahead. Like when you first meet someone that later on becomes this really important fixture in your life. I'd say that I always romanticize beginnings, and I always fear the future. Although in this case, I'm pretty psyched for the future.
PTST: Tour starts this weekend, it seems like you guys are always touring though so does it ever get to the point where you can't face the possibility of touring or playing the same songs night after night? Other then the music and the fans of your music, is there anything about touring that your truly love?
Kip: Touring is basically the most fun thing ever. Nothing about it ever gets old-- the chance to play music every night is like, getting to eat dessert for every meal. It's always fresh and exciting, and never feels "routine" at all. Seriously, there is nothing I love more than getting in the van with the other pains and going somewhere to play a show. As for what we enjoy about it-- obviously getting to meet new people and see new places is always a blast. Though for me, just getting to do it all with Alex, Peggy and Kurt (and sometimes my bff Danny comes too) is what makes it really fun.
Alex: Touring hasn't even begun to feel old. It makes all the difference in the world that we're friends outside the band and not just a bunch of hired guns or whatever. Basically it's a lot of crude joke cracking and gas station food and sleeping bags, but it's always looking forward to the next show, which is always a thrill. Meeting the people in each city who are nice enough to come to shows, put us up, buy our records and generally be great, fun people in general… that's the best.
Peggy: I've never traveled anywhere before I joined the Pains! I'd rather tour than take a vacation any day. It's like going on vacation but everyone is really nice to you, and there's something fun to do every night. I got so sad the last night of our UK tour. I just couldn't believe it was over. Umm, I like sitting in the van hanging with my band mates. I like doing crossword puzzles with Alex. I like stopping at weird gas stations. It is not something I take for granted.
PTST: What's the music situation like in the van? Do you guys generally agree or are there heated debates over what's being played between destinations?
Kip: Peggy and Alex usually have the best mixes ever. I'm totally subservient to their tastes, as they are way better than mine. I think the highlights last time we were in the van were Girls (www.myspace.com/girlssanfran), Crystal Stilts, Ladyhawke and Let's Wrestle! (who we'll actually be playing some shows with on the way to SXSW!)
Alex: For long drives, sometimes comedy is key, too. That last Patton Oswalt album on Sub Pop is really, really funny. Recommended van listening, for sure.
Peggy: Ooh, the Mitch Hedberg was awesome as well.
PTST: Obviously SXSW is coming up and you guys are slated to head down there, what do you guys look forward to about playing a festival like SXSW or CMJ? Is there anything you can't stand about that environment?
Kip: Honestly, we're so excited about going that I can't think anything could bum us out about that. I've never been to SXSW, so I'm just totally psyched to see as many bands as possible and just have lots and lots of fun.
Alex: I've been to SXSW a few times and always had a blast. I usually end up sick and/or tired by the end of it though, there's SO much going on. This will be my first time playing with a band, though, and I'm looking forward to it a lot more than CMJ because everything is close by and everyone feels like they're on vacation. It should be a blast.
Peggy: SXSW is usually a blast, and it'll be fun to play this year. We'll know lots of people going this year, so it'll probably feel like NYC Jr. except with sunshine and we'll all be wearing shorts!
PTST: Do the Pains of Being Pure at Heart have long term goals in mind? Do you have any idea or hopes for where the band will be in five years?
Kip: We just hope things continue to go well-- we're really having fun, so simply existing for 5 years would be cool.
Alex: Have as much fun as possible, keep playing music we love. It's pretty simple with us lot, really!
PTST: When heading to the show do you ever have a tough time deciding what to wear for the show that evening?
Kip: I think I wore my blue sweatshirt every day when we were in England... it was "good luck" (I think).
Alex: Everyone in the band have way more of a natural fashion sense than I do, so I usually just try and keep up. But usually I end up just wearing a random sweater.
Peggy: I used to care a lot about what I would wear, but not after playing the UK for three weeks! I had literally 3 outfits that I changed between. The cool thing about touring is that no one ever really sees you twice in a row, so you can just wear the same thing all the time. So people are fooled into thinking I have some awesome wardrobe when no, I actually only own like 3 cute things. This was a good question, BTW, and totally something I would ask if i was interviewing a band.
PTST: Have you ever had a favorite band t-shirt?
Alex: I had a caUSE co-MOTION! shirt that I loved, but I spilled some wine on it at one of the first Pains band practices actually. Also, this one Metallica shirt with a crow perched on top of a decaying Earth. It was pretty badass.
Peggy: It's funny to think about the day when Alex spilled wine on his Cause Co-motion shirt, he was so bummed!! Umm, I have a Tracey Thorn shirt that someone made for me, and also a cool vintage 10,000 maniacs tee.
PTST: With Valentine's Day only a week away, who are you guys going to be asking to be your Valentines?
Kip: We're playing in Winooski, VT on Valentines day. So it'll probably be Alex :--)
Alex: Kip, I accept! It'll be rough being away for Valentine's Day, but it's all a bit Hallmark anyway, right?
Peggy: Yeah, I'm actually kind of glad we'll be on tour so I don't have to deal with the awkward hoopla that comes with Valentine's Day.
PTST: Being a New York band do you think you got to a the point of being a buzz band faster because of the sheer glut of buzzy music coming through the city right now? Or did you guys have to pay your dues and build up and try to fit through all the bands playing at every venue every night?
Kip: I feel like we have and still do pay dues, but they're totally fun dues to pay. I remember when we played Tallahassee in an outdoor sandwich shop and it was about 105 and there were four people there... but that show was also so awesome, as the band we were playing with, For Ex-Lovers Only, were just amazing. And since they were from Orlando and never toured, that was basically our only chance to ever see them. But I feel like the story for so many bands in New York is similar. I know Crystal Stilts have been around for at least 4 years, and I remember going with Alex to go see them support caUSE co-MOTION at Union Pool. And it wasn't like, "recognition" was just handed to them because they lived in New York, but because they really worked hard, made great music and played a lot of shows.
Alex: I think people in New York are really excited to seek out and devour anything new and potentially exciting, so in that way, there's possibly more of a "buzz" faster. But there are also SO MANY bands that you still have to distinguish yourself. Mostly by just focusing on what all bands should do: write good songs, play fun shows.
Peggy: It's nice because no matter what kind of music you play, there's probably an audience for it in NYC. And there are a lot of good bands to play with. A lot of our friends are in bands, so playing shows with them is a lot of fun. For that reason, I'd say that living in NYC helps perpetuate a scene and a sense of community. It's always more fun to be a part of something that's bigger.
PTST: Do you have a favorite venue to play in the city?
Kip: Cake Shop!
Alex: Cake Shop seconded. Honorable mention for any house party. Dead Herring House is great!
PTST: If you guys had to pick one city band to do a split 7" with right now who would it be? If they said no who would be the second choice?
Kip: It would be fun to do a split with Crystal Stilts, where we play their self-titled song and they play ours.
Alex: I like that idea of a self-titled song split. They're technically from NJ, but Titus Andronicus would be cool too. The self-titled song club.
Peggy: I guess I'll say umm...the Aislers Set.
PTST: What's the best and worst aspect of being a band from New York?
Kip: I feel everything is really positive. New York is such a vibrant, awesome place, and we're totally lucky to live/play here.
Alex: The best is just the incredible amount of great shows, great venues and great bands that seem to overflow here. Impossible to keep up. The worst would probably be the most obvious: RENT. It's absolutely worth it, though.
PTST: Do you think the new Animal Collective record merits all the attention it's getting?
Kip: Yeah, totally! I haven't heard all of it yet, but I definitely want to-- what I've heard has been great.
Alex: I've been an on-and-off fan for awhile, but I didn't like
Strawberry Jam much at all. I think the new album is GREAT, though – my favorite by a long shot. I try to just tune out the various hyperboles (on both sides) and just enjoy it for what it is: a very exciting, very creative pop album.
Peggy: I haven't really listened to it. I saw them play a long time ago and it's cool that they make accessible pop music in such an unconventional and unexplainable way. I always admire bands that can sort of break out of their mold and overreach past the genres that everyone's boxed them into, you know?
PTST: Is there any trend in indie music right now that you just don't understand?
Kip: It's not a trend, but I feel there's a lot of negativity on the internet-- I feel like, if you don't like a band, don't leave an anonymous comment about the way they look or something. Everyone has different tastes, but there's no need to be vindictive or cruel. I guess I like all the positives about the internet-- allowing me to discover new bands, like Moscow Olympics, who are from the Philipines. If this was 15 years ago, no one would have ever gotten to know them and put out their records.
Alex: Yeah not to be boring, but I tend not to skew much towards hate. Even the crop of bands doing face paint nu-glam, I'm cool with that. It's about the songs at the end of the day.
Peggy: I know what I like and I have a pretty particular aesthetic, so I guess you could say that I just don't "get" a lot of stuff, but I'm not going to get judgey about it.
Listen:
The Pains Of Being Pure At Heart - "Contender"The Pains Of Being Pure At Heart - "Orchard Of My Eye"